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Nicolas Le Novere


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Re: SBML survey: should consistency ofunitsbe required? 17 Dec '07 14:39 Go to previous messageGo to previous message

Stefan Hoops wrote:

> This means if we want that units MUST match we need to make things
> easier in SBML. The first thing would be to require that parameters
> have the default units dimensionless and that numbers are also
> dimensionless. In addition the unit "undefined" must be removed.
>
> If we do all this, MUST match is clearly the right way to go. This would
> mean that we can not use all models as they currently appear in
> publication instead they need to be curated so that the units
> match. This means introducing parameters with the value 1 and the
> proper units wherever needed. This is what the authors did without
> thinking about it anyway ;)

No, no. We discussed that in length and in great details at the
Hackathon. Numbers cannot be always dimentionless. What about an
Hill-like function (something used a fair amount of time by the
community of modeller, so we cannot dismiss it):

[X]^n / ( 1 + [X]^n)

1 cannot be dimensionless if [X] is not dimensionless.

And please, everybody, don't ask me to write:


([X]/p)^n / ( 1 + ([X]/p)^n)

with p = 1 M ...

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