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Nicolas Le Novere


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Re: Proposed addition to L3 core 08 Sep '09 00:15 Go to previous messageGo to previous message


> As far as I can see, any argument you wage against species type or
> entity could just as well be used against having compartment as an
> attribute.

Of course not. A compartment is an essential component of a species. And
its identifier carries a precise semantics that is translated in
mathematical expressions by the values of its size.

> Also, can you please explain how you would unambiguously annotate
> that two species refer to the same phospho-state of a protein? Or the
> same mutant? Or the same dimer?

But that has nothing to do with the current debate. A free-form identifier
will not address that. If you want to do that with no annotations, you can
create a group, e.g. "MAPK-122P", and attach to it an element notes where
you describe in human readable terms what it is.

Controlled annotations currently have a limited semantics. At the moment
we can only say that a species is a version of a protein, and that a
species is phosphorylated. We actually know how we could say it is a
phosphorylated version of a protein. This requires to put an id on an
annotation. It was refused for L2V4 and postponed to L3, but finally did
not make it to the core.

But again, this is not the current issue. The current issue is to tag
several species as being versions of the same class of species. This is
perfectly achieved with the groups.

THAT SAID, SpeciesType is not going to disappear. It is a core part of the
multi package.


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Read Message   Proposed addition to L3 core Robert Phair07 Sep '09 00:04
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere07 Sep '09 09:35
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 11:38
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core  Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 00:15
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 04:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Stefan.Hoops08 Sep '09 07:28
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 08:48
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Stefan.Hoops08 Sep '09 09:22
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:31
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 09:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:39
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Robert Phair09 Sep '09 01:02
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere09 Sep '09 05:14
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 06:54
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Pedro Mendes09 Sep '09 08:09
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Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Pedro Mendes09 Sep '09 14:52
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka10 Sep '09 00:13
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli10 Sep '09 05:25
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 09:12
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers08 Sep '09 09:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:34
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:13
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core hsauro09 Sep '09 14:07
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Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core eric.minch09 Sep '09 20:04
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere10 Sep '09 02:02
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 01:43
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere12 Sep '09 08:37
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka17 Sep '09 21:59
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 01:49
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Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere12 Sep '09 10:45
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 11:57
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Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 09:46
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 04:29
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka08 Sep '09 22:54
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 04:17
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Ion08 Sep '09 09:21
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Schaff08 Sep '09 09:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:29
Read Message   L3 core vs. packages Lucian Smith09 Sep '09 00:10
Read Message   Re: L3 core vs. packages Nicolas Le Novere09 Sep '09 02:02
Read Message   Re: L3 core vs. packages Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:06
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 09:48
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere07 Sep '09 12:45
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 14:31
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