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Nicolas Le Novere


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Re: Proposed addition to L3 core 08 Sep '09 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to previous message

Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:

> It surprises me that, after even Nicolas conceded the weakness of
> MIRIAM annotations, you still insist they are perfect and only
> "cumbersome".

I never "conceded" that those annotations could not be used to identified
species of the same "kind". I merely pointed out that they had a limited
expressibility. But there is nothing better except full-blown OWL. And this
problem is not specific to SBML. BioPAX cannot encode those things as well.
Describing the structure is better with BP L3, but without Alan
Ruttenberg's proposal (which is effectively BioPAX's MIRIAM annotations)
one cannot identify the entities. If you load a BioPAX file coming from a
resource and another from another resource, you will get disconnected
networks if the there is no agreement on an annotation scheme.

> If a species is a pool of indistinguishable things, it is only
> natural that two species that contain the same indistinguishable
> things have a unique relationship and therefore require a unique way
> of being grouped. Trying to use the same grouping scheme for
> distinguishable and indistinguishable things does not make sense.

But ... this is exactly what we do not do. Species are grouping
indistinguishable things. Groups are grouping sets of distinguishable things.

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Nicolas LE NOVERE, Computational Neurobiology, EMBL-EBI, Wellcome-Trust
Genome Campus, Hinxton CB101SD UK, Mob:+447833147074, Tel:+441223494521
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Read Message   Proposed addition to L3 core Robert Phair07 Sep '09 00:04
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere07 Sep '09 09:35
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 11:38
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 00:15
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 04:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Stefan.Hoops08 Sep '09 07:28
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 08:48
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Stefan.Hoops08 Sep '09 09:22
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:31
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core  Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 09:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:39
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Robert Phair09 Sep '09 01:02
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere09 Sep '09 05:14
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 06:54
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Pedro Mendes09 Sep '09 08:09
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Pedro Mendes09 Sep '09 14:52
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka10 Sep '09 00:13
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli10 Sep '09 05:25
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 09:12
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers08 Sep '09 09:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:34
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:13
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core hsauro09 Sep '09 14:07
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers09 Sep '09 15:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core mblinov09 Sep '09 17:34
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers09 Sep '09 18:16
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core eric.minch09 Sep '09 20:04
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere10 Sep '09 02:02
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 01:43
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere12 Sep '09 08:37
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka17 Sep '09 21:59
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 01:49
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers12 Sep '09 06:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere12 Sep '09 10:45
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 11:57
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers13 Sep '09 03:14
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 09:46
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 04:29
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka08 Sep '09 22:54
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 04:17
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Ion08 Sep '09 09:21
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Schaff08 Sep '09 09:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:29
Read Message   L3 core vs. packages Lucian Smith09 Sep '09 00:10
Read Message   Re: L3 core vs. packages Nicolas Le Novere09 Sep '09 02:02
Read Message   Re: L3 core vs. packages Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:06
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 09:48
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere07 Sep '09 12:45
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 14:31
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