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Nicolas Le Novere


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Re: Proposed addition to L3 core 08 Sep '09 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to previous message

Schaff,Jim wrote:

> In a single compartment model, the presence of multiple sbml:species is
> an explicit statement by the modeler that each sbml:species is
> structurally and functionally distinct. For multi-compartmental models,
> especially those that include transport/trafficking, the SBML Level 2
> element sbml:speciesType allowed the modeler to unambiguously indicate
> which sbml:species corresponded to the "same" molecular entity. For
> example, there is no separate "transport" mechanism defined within SBML,
> and without knowing the relationships between reactants and products,
> the intent of the modeler is lost.

Not at all. A reaction X -> Y where X is one compartment and Y is in
another is a transport. That is the intent of the modeler. If the modeler
intended to imply something else, he should describe it.

> Oliver brings up an interesting and controversial question, why do we
> have sbml:compartments?
>
> Solely in terms of the mathematics of simulation, the sbml:species are
> distinct molecular pools (molecular entities located in a compartment)
> which are the state variables of the system. These molecular pools need
> an initial condition (stored with the pool) and a size for calculating
> concentrations (currently stored in an external object -
> sbml:compartment).

No. That would be true if the unit of the species were all the same, and
the same than the unit of the kineticLaw multiplied by the stoichiometry.

> We have sbml:compartments because they are important to the biological
> semantics of the model. Otherwise, if sbml:compartment was used only to
> provide a container for a shared "size" parameter, we could use a model
> parameter instead.

No. Because compartment have a dimension, and this dimension affects the
behaviour of the model.

> Level 3 extensions
> ==================

> It remains unclear how easy it
> will be for most of the 170 SBML tools to support ANY of the Level 3
> extensions unless they are seamlessly integrated within libSBML. Given
> that, support for molecular entities will be very sparse if they are not
> in the Core.

Excuse-me but then, why those tools should use L3 at all? Why not sticking
to L2.

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Read Message   Proposed addition to L3 core Robert Phair07 Sep '09 00:04
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere07 Sep '09 09:35
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 11:38
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 00:15
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 04:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Stefan.Hoops08 Sep '09 07:28
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 08:48
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Stefan.Hoops08 Sep '09 09:22
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:31
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 09:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:39
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Robert Phair09 Sep '09 01:02
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere09 Sep '09 05:14
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 06:54
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Pedro Mendes09 Sep '09 08:09
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Pedro Mendes09 Sep '09 14:52
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka10 Sep '09 00:13
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli10 Sep '09 05:25
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 09:12
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers08 Sep '09 09:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:34
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:13
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core hsauro09 Sep '09 14:07
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers09 Sep '09 15:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core mblinov09 Sep '09 17:34
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers09 Sep '09 18:16
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core eric.minch09 Sep '09 20:04
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere10 Sep '09 02:02
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 01:43
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere12 Sep '09 08:37
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka17 Sep '09 21:59
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 01:49
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers12 Sep '09 06:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere12 Sep '09 10:45
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 11:57
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers13 Sep '09 03:14
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 09:46
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 04:29
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka08 Sep '09 22:54
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 04:17
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Ion08 Sep '09 09:21
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Schaff08 Sep '09 09:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core  Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:29
Read Message   L3 core vs. packages Lucian Smith09 Sep '09 00:10
Read Message   Re: L3 core vs. packages Nicolas Le Novere09 Sep '09 02:02
Read Message   Re: L3 core vs. packages Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:06
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 09:48
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere07 Sep '09 12:45
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 14:31
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