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Pedro Mendes


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Re: Proposed addition to L3 core 09 Sep '09 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to previous message

Mike,

> But, the purpose of species type (and indeed a group in the
> current draft groups proposal) is merely to associate an
> additional identifier with each species object.

What Robert mentioned earlier is that what we call "species" should be
called "pool" because it is a specific subset of a chemical species in a
model. What we now call species type is actually what the chemical species
is. Our current practice is to add all unique chemical species as species
types and annotate these with the appropriate MIRIAM rdf that points to the
authoritative database entry for that chemical species. After this, we can
infer that some "species" is also of that composition (because it is tagged
with that species type).

> This identifier (the identifier of the type) does not itself
> carry semantics.

Indeed, but it can be added with <annotation> and at that point it allows us
to find out which "species" are of this chemical nature. (BTW this same
mechanism could be used to group cell types too, etc. as long as the
<annotation> is to the appropriate URN). Also, an SBO term can be added to
indicate that this is a "simple molecule" (another problematic label, but I
won't go there), or a protein, or a cell type (if/when we create the
appropriate SBO term for that), etc. etc.

> The semantics can only be associated with the type by virtue of connections
that the type object migh have to other resources.

The connections created by speciesType (or groups) are important as they carry
the semantic meaning that these entities all have something in common. The
something in common is what is pointed by the MIRIAM annotation on the
speciesType/group level.

I am not prescribing this use to everyone; but I am proposing that this is a
mechanism that allows us to unequivocally indentify things with their correct
semantics (through MIRIAM), and then indicate which other entities are
special cases of them. This may not be ideal or elegant, but it works right
now with SBML L2 and it will stop working with L3core.


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Prof. Pedro Mendes
EPSRC Chair in Computational Systems Biology
University of Manchester

School of Computer Science
Manchester Centre for Integrative Systems Biology
131 Princess St., Manchester, M1 7DN, UK

http://www.comp-sys-bio.org
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Read Message   Proposed addition to L3 core Robert Phair07 Sep '09 00:04
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere07 Sep '09 09:35
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 11:38
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 00:15
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 04:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Stefan.Hoops08 Sep '09 07:28
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 08:48
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Stefan.Hoops08 Sep '09 09:22
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:31
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 09:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:39
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Robert Phair09 Sep '09 01:02
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere09 Sep '09 05:14
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 06:54
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Pedro Mendes09 Sep '09 08:09
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core  Pedro Mendes09 Sep '09 14:52
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka10 Sep '09 00:13
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli10 Sep '09 05:25
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 09:12
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers08 Sep '09 09:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:34
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:13
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core hsauro09 Sep '09 14:07
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers09 Sep '09 15:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core mblinov09 Sep '09 17:34
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers09 Sep '09 18:16
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core eric.minch09 Sep '09 20:04
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere10 Sep '09 02:02
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 01:43
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere12 Sep '09 08:37
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka17 Sep '09 21:59
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 01:49
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers12 Sep '09 06:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere12 Sep '09 10:45
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka12 Sep '09 11:57
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core myers13 Sep '09 03:14
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 09:46
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 04:29
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Mike Hucka08 Sep '09 22:54
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli09 Sep '09 04:17
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Ion08 Sep '09 09:21
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli08 Sep '09 10:41
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Schaff08 Sep '09 09:30
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere08 Sep '09 15:29
Read Message   L3 core vs. packages Lucian Smith09 Sep '09 00:10
Read Message   Re: L3 core vs. packages Nicolas Le Novere09 Sep '09 02:02
Read Message   Re: L3 core vs. packages Mike Hucka09 Sep '09 12:06
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 09:48
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core Nicolas Le Novere07 Sep '09 12:45
Read Message   Re: Proposed addition to L3 core curoli07 Sep '09 14:31
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