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Nicolas Le Novere


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Re: Rate Law Problem 15 Nov '05 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to previous message

[Let's assume there was a misunderstanding earlier between a discussion on
the rate-law (SBML business) and the ODEs (simulator business)]

> However that implies (at least for the reactions that take place in one
> compartment) that the k value implicitly contains the compartment volume
> since usually you assume that the reaction scales with compartment volume
> (i.e. if the volume doubles the amount-of-substance-rate of a first order
> reaction should also double).

It is not just you assume. It is the physical basis of chemical kinetics.
I think...

> So far it would be (quite) ok, just not nice. We should still not
> encourage
> people to write the models like this.

No, we shouldn't. In addition, you cannot apply this with non-linear
rate-laws such as Henri-Michaelis-Menten etc. I actually found ugly things
such as (Vmax * species) / (Km + species)
With species having initialAmount and hasOnlySubstanceUnits="true". The
authors were happy because the rate-law provided substance/time!!!

As stated before in another thread, if one uses continuous chemical
kinetics in aqueous solution, one should always use the concentrations as
activities.
And then multiply that rate-law by the adequate volume to get the SBML
kineticLaw.

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SubjectPosterDate
Read Message   Rate Law Problem Stefan Hoops14 Nov '05 11:28
Read Message   RE: Rate Law Problem Henning Schmidt14 Nov '05 22:34
Read Message   RE: Rate Law Problem Nicolas Le Novere15 Nov '05 00:39
Read Message   Re: Rate Law Problem Sven Sahle15 Nov '05 05:59
Read Message   Re: Rate Law Problem  Nicolas Le Novere15 Nov '05 14:47
Read Message   Re: Rate Law Problem nan04 Apr '06 05:32
Read Message   Re: Re: Rate Law Problem Nicolas Le Novere04 Apr '06 13:41
Read Message   RE: Re: Rate Law Problem rphair05 Apr '06 18:33
Read Message   Re: Re: Rate Law Problem nan18 Apr '06 02:42
Read Message   Re: Re: Re: Rate Law Problem Nicolas Le Novere18 Apr '06 10:29
Read Message   Re: Re: Rate Law Problem nan18 Apr '06 02:51
Read Message   Re: Re: Re: Rate Law Problem Nicolas Le Novere18 Apr '06 10:43
Read Message   Rate Law Problem nan19 Apr '06 07:54
Read Message   Re: Rate Law Problem Nicolas Le Novere20 Apr '06 03:21
Read Message   Re: Rate Law Problem nan21 Apr '06 01:43
Read Message   Re: Re: Rate Law Problem Nicolas Le Novere21 Apr '06 10:33
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