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Nicolas Le Novere


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RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction 10 Mar '06 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to previous message

>> I am probably misunderstanding the issue here, but you can just define
>> two reactions as Herbert says BUT set the reversible flag to
>> "false". It is true by default.
>
> I can do that, but as you said above that breaks the graphical
> interpretation.

Why is that? You would have

R1
--
+---+ ---/ \---> +---+
| A | | B |
+---+ <---\ /--- +---+
--
R2


Is-it a problem?

> I do stochastic reactions where the probability of each reaction is tracked.
> In many cases, a reversible reaction is the one where I'm most interested in
> the exact number of individual species created, and if I have a single
> kinetic law to specify what is essentially the net movement of molecules from
> the reactant side to the product side then I miss some of the detail of the
> gross movement.
>
> A more concrete example is
>
> A <-> B
> B -> C
>
> where perhaps the A -> B reaction is slow but the B -> A and B -> C reactions
> are fast. If I just do the kinetic law as you stated above, essentially no B
> will ever be created because it does not have a high probability of being
> created. Because of this, no C will be created, and if that's my species of
> interest my stochastic simulation will not capture the behavior that I'm
> looking for.

Ah. Alright. You need three reactions here. Right. But the following is fine, isn't it?

R1
--
+---+ ---/ \---> +---+ R3 +---+
| A | | B | ----------> | C |
+---+ <---\ /--- +---+ +---+
--
R2

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Read Message   Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Bill Denney09 Mar '06 10:14
Read Message   Re: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Hiroyuki Kuwahara09 Mar '06 16:18
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Herbert Sauro09 Mar '06 17:09
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Bill Denney09 Mar '06 18:30
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Nicolas Le Novere10 Mar '06 01:01
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Bill Denney10 Mar '06 04:15
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction  Nicolas Le Novere10 Mar '06 09:54
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Nicolas Le Novere10 Mar '06 10:16
Read Message   Re: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Stefan Hoops10 Mar '06 10:28
Read Message   Re: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Mike Hucka10 Mar '06 11:24
Read Message   Re: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Tomas Radivoyevitch10 Mar '06 05:32
Read Message   Re: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Bill Denney10 Mar '06 10:32
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Mike Hucka10 Mar '06 11:02
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Herbert Sauro10 Mar '06 09:39
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Bill Denney10 Mar '06 10:36
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Mike Hucka10 Mar '06 11:10
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Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Herbert Sauro10 Mar '06 13:00
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Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Darren J Wilkinson10 Mar '06 13:51
Read Message   Re: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Stefan Hoops10 Mar '06 15:04
Read Message   Re: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Nicolas Le Novere10 Mar '06 16:21
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Read Message   Re: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Darren J Wilkinson13 Mar '06 12:09
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Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Bill Denney10 Mar '06 14:28
Read Message   RE: Multiple kineticLaw Sections Per Reaction Nicolas Le Novere10 Mar '06 15:10
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